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We’re delighted to share Antoinette Klatzky and Otto Scharmer’s interview with Thomas Hübl on “Creating …
We’re delighted to share Antoinette Klatzky and Otto Scharmer’s interview with Thomas Hübl on “Creating Social Systems With a Soul” for his podcast – Point of Relation. Here are some of the themes they explored together:
– Architectures of Connection– the social systems and structures that can either be extractive and perpetuate violence and trauma, or be open and regenerative and enable healing.
– That all societies need collective healing spaces where intense emotions and experiences can be witnessed and creative inspiration for the future can emerge.
– The idea of the “social field,” a collective body composed of our relationships, and how we affect it
– How being seen and having your highest potential acknowledged within a community enables you to live into that potential
– The power of deep, open, present conversations to invite and move powerful energies
Tune in to Point of Relation to learn more about bringing the spiritual dimension into the realm of systems change.
You can listen to the episode on all major podcast platforms and watch it on YouTube.
YouTube Link: https://youtu.be/JZBgvZ4rXxE
Audio Link: https://link.chtbl.com/PointOfRelationPodcast
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